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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:15 pm 
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We have Thomas, 1777, married to Nancy Thornton. On my tree at the moment there's only one child - James 1798. I think these may also be their children, from the Haggate records:

Hannah LEAVER Born 12 Jun 1800, daur of Thomas & Nanney, Hill End in Briercliffe

Hannah LEAVER Born 11 Feb 1803, daur of Thomas & Nanny, Hillend in Briercliffe

Sally LEAVER Born 30 Apr 1807, daur of Thomas & Nanney Bendhill in Briercliffe

John LEAVER Born 30 December 1809, son of Thomas & Nanney, Bendhill in Briercliffe

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:32 pm 
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The Hill End, Briercliffe definitely agrees with what we know for James Leaver b. 1798.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:36 pm 
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Maureen, do you know anything about Nancy Thornton?
I have a Richard Thornton who I know very little about. He was born c1775, married to Mary/Mally. They had Richard 1812, and Thomas 1818 that I know of. I just wondered if Richard c1775 and Nancy could be siblings.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:41 pm 
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Sorry Gloria, not yet. She married Thomas Leaver 16 Nov 1797 at St Peter's Church but died in 1812 so never appeared on a census. The witnesses were Robert Hartley & Thomas Crossley.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 1:51 pm 
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I just re-read my last post. For the avoidance of doubt, and before Mel gets it in, the witnesses were to the marriage not the death!

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Thanks Maureen,
Just realised they (Richard and Mally) had a rake of children, nine in total. Richard is one of those people I get back to when my memory is jolted.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 2:28 pm 
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On the tree we have James, b 1800, who married Betty Nuttall. At the moment he has no parents.
This James shows up on the 1841/ 1851/ 1861 censuses as born 1798/ 1799/ 1800. He seems like a good candidate for the son of Thomas & Nancy. Particularly as his first child was born at Hillend in 1820 which is the right area

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:13 pm 
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Two of the children of Richard and Mally were born at HillEnd, so they look likely to have been from the same family.

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It looks very likely, since I can't imagine Hillend being a very big place. I'm not sure what you've found Gloria, but most of the Thornton families I've looked at were not from hereabouts

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Richard Thornton is the farthest back I have got in Briercliffe. The rest of the children were "addresses at birth"-- New Row near Banks, Haggate, Finsley Little Marsden, Banks, and of course HillEnd. All these are within a 10 minute walk of each other, probably less across a field.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:48 pm 
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This is Richard Thornton's headstone
http://www.briercliffesociety.co.uk/Gra ... rnton2.htm

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portia wrote:
On the tree we have James, b 1800, who married Betty Nuttall. At the moment he has no parents.
This James shows up on the 1841/ 1851/ 1861 censuses as born 1798/ 1799/ 1800. He seems like a good candidate for the son of Thomas & Nancy. Particularly as his first child was born at Hillend in 1820 which is the right area


I agree. I have already attached this man to this family.


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