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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 6:24 am 

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Would it be possible for someone to look up a marriage entry for me?

For: John Shackleton and Ellen Burrows 9 July 1883
I'm not sure where they were married possibly Haggate, Hill Lane or Angle street Burnley
I'm especially interested in the entry under Father (name and occupation) for John.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:42 am 
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I have looked on ancestry and could only find one John Shackleton for that date and he was married in Skipton.
Ellen Burrows, married Burnley, I found, but it doesn't appear to be him
******Ellen Burrows 1883 Jul-Aug-Sep Burnley Lancashire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Madonia Downham 1883 Jul-Aug-Sep Burnley Lancashire, Yorkshire - West Riding
John Greenwood 1883 Jul-Aug-Sep Burnley Lancashire, Yorkshire - West Riding
James Thornton 1883 Jul-Aug-Sep Burnley Lancashire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume 8e, page 369

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I don't think Haggate did marriages then but not sure about Hill Lane. Does anyone know?

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The John Greenwood is promising or is there a John Greenwood Shackleton?

The John Greenwood - Ellen Burrows I think is them. He was born John Greenwood.

This perhaps means that he was never formally adopted by Shackleton and when it came to his marriage he was obliged to use his birth name??

Could this be so? It was 1860

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Are you aware of some of the free websites like UKBMD Glenys? I will add a link to it on the main site.
http://www.briercliffesociety.co.uk/Useful%20Links.htm

It is a useful one when looking for marriages.

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John Greenwood/Shackleton born 1860 Burnley

John Greenwood 1860 Apr-May-Jun Burnley Lancashire, Yorkshire - West Riding
John Greenwood 1860 Jul-Aug-Sep Burnley Lancashire, Yorkshire - West Riding
John Greenwood 1860 Oct-Nov-Dec Burnley Lancashire, Yorkshire - West Riding
John Greenwood 1860 Oct-Nov-Dec Burnley Lancashire, Yorkshire - West Riding
John Shackleton 1860 Apr-May-Jun Burnley Lancashire, Yorkshire - West Riding

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Mel and Gloria THANKYOU. I wasn't aware of the BMD site Mel so thankyou for that ...I went straight there and had a look ...

I seem to remember someone in the family once telling me that John Greenwood/Shackleton had 2x birth entries ...!?
one under Greenwood and the second under Shackleton ...of course one or other might be another person ! :roll:
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:03 am 

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I sent away to Burnley and received the marriage certificate for John Greenwood (Shackleton) and Ellen Burrows. It is the correct certificate and it tells me that John became a Shackleton in name only and was not formally adopted by Shackleton as he legally married Ellen with the name Greenwood. It also shows a father of the groom column empty which may have mean't he did not know who his birth father was. What is intriguing is how Johns children were Shackletons by name ? Did they simply take the name of their 'step grandfather' who didn't adopt their father but married his mother? I don't get why Johns children weren't Greenwoods? and I also don't get why John and Ellen lived as Mr and Mrs Shackleton and not Mr and Mrs Greenwood?
Anyone got any ideas?

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Maybe he kept the name change a secret Glenys?
I am helping a friend with his tree at the moment and he has a similar situation. His dad changed his surname but we dont know if he did it legally or not. His is 20th century though.

John was probably illegitimate, would his mum have been the Greenwood? Maybe she later married a Shackleton?

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Mel, he was illegitimate and his mother was also. She did marry a Shackleton the same year John was born. Her name was Greenwood (maiden name) she never married anyone Greenwood.
The thing that puzzles me is wouldn't it have been easier to live as a Greenwood family .? ...I mean that was the name he and Ellen were married as.
Obviously you could just call yourself whatever you wanted in 1883!

For me it means that my Grandfather (a Son of John and Ellen) was not really a Shackleton ?!

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