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 Post subject: John Thomas Redman
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:29 pm 

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Hi, i'm relatively new to this, i tried this time last year and got side tracked.

I have just registered with ancestry.co.uk for the full package and i have got as far as John Thomas Redman and got stuck.

Does anybody know anything about him.

I think he died in 1897.

He would be my Grandma's Grandad.

I beleive he married Mary Binns. they had a daughter - Gertrude ( i think Grandma has her marriage certificate to Stephen Lamb, where it states her father as John Thomas Redman)

Gertrude is my Grandma's (Shirley Slinger) mother.

If anybody can help with anything i would be very grateful.

Jonathon


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 Post subject: Re: John Thomas Redman
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 8:19 am 
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Hi Jonathon, welcome to the site.

I assume you have the census returns for J T Redman.

When was he born? Just what would you like to find out?

You say you think Grandma has her marriage certificate to Stephen Lamb, where it states her father as John Thomas Redman. It's probably worth checking the certificate to confirm this information. It's frustrating to bark up the wrong tree at any point in your research but to do it in the early stages would be even worse.

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 Post subject: Re: John Thomas Redman
PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:33 pm 

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Hi,

I don't have the marriage certificate. it's a "Certified Copy of an Entry of Birth" (Issued for the purpose the factory and Workshop Act, 1901)

It confirms that Gertrude Redman was born 20/05/1897, her father was John Thomas Redman and mother Mary Redman (formely Binns)

I have scanned the document now so can e-mail copies if wanted.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:53 pm 
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Hi Jonathon. I have received your email, thanks.
I'll add the details from the certificate a little later....it does now confirm the details in your earlier post as correct. It is so easy to follow the wrong line...done it myself :?

I'll also have a look at the census.

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 Post subject: Re: John Thomas Redman
PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:21 pm 
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Date - 20 May 1897 23 Adelphi Street Burnley
Name - Gertrude
Sex - Girl
Father - John Thomas Redman
Mother - Mary Redman formerly Binns
Occupation of Father - Cotton Warp Dresser
Informant - J T Redman 23 Adelphi Street Burnley
Registered - 26 June 1897
Registrar - A. A. Bellingham

Thanks for sharing this with us Jonathon

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 Post subject: Re: John Thomas Redman
PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:28 pm 
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It seems J T Redman wasn't married for long. His wife Mary is a widow in 1901

RG13/3862 folio 149 pg 34
25 Adelphi Street, Burnley
James Heyworth Head M 48 Cotton overlooker b. Lancs, Narrowgates
Alice Wife M 43 Cotton weaver b. Bingley
Margurite Binns M in Law Wid 72 b. Marsden Heights
Mary Redman Sister Wid 39 Cotton weaver b.Burnley
Gertrude Redman niece 3 b.Burnley

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:40 pm 

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My Grandma knows that he died when Gertrude was very young.

We have found a John Thomas Redman in the Death Register for Q4 1897.

Sue Regan has sent me some info and a card when he died with the date 24/11/1897.

i will e-mail this to you if you like. unless it is somewhere on the website already.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:34 pm 
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Re: viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1760

Burnley cemetery burials

27/11/1897 John Thomas Redman, 35, Warp Dresser, Adelphi St, Grave No. A971


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I don't think it is already on the site Jonathon but make sure Sue Regan gives the nod before sharing it please. I'd love to include if it is OK though please.

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Sue sent is this card for Elizabeth Christina Redman
http://www.briercliffesociety.co.uk/Gra ... Redman.htm

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 16, 2009 12:45 pm 
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According to the date of death (and death reference), John Thomas was born about 1862. This could be him as a lodger in 1891

1891 RG12/3365 folio 64 pg 14
2 Rawlinson Street, Habergham Eaves
George Wm Wadsworth Head M 33 Grocer & Confectioner b.Hebden Bridge
Elizabeth Wife M 35 b.Huddersfield
John Redman Lodger S 28 Cotton weaver b.Burnley
John Dawson Lodger M 48 Warp dresser b.Keighley
James Laycock Lodger M 50 Labourer b.Brierfield

This could be the birth reference for him. I can't see any other possibilities but the two indexes I viewed (Freebmd & LancashireBMD) are incomplete so it's possible that another could turn up at a later date
Births Sep 1861
REDMAN John Thomas Burnley 8e 179

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