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My gt grandmother was Margaret Harley. She was born in Wolverhampton but moved to Burnley when she was about 14 following the death of both her parents. There she met and married my gt grandfather, Thomas Sutcliffe.

I have since discovered that her brother, Joseph, and his family moved to Padiham in about 1895. Josephs wife, Esther, died in 1909 and Joseph remarried in 1910 to Mary Alice Ashburner/Holden (She was a widow I think so one of these names is her maiden name and 1 will be her former married name).They lived in Accrington in 1911.

Joseph had several children. One, Margaret, married a John Robert Clarkson in 1901 in the Burnley district. They went on to have at least 2 children - Joseph (b.1902) and Arthur (b.1910). Margaret is listed as Margaret Harling on the LancsBMD marriages.

So - does anyone have any Harley's (or Clarksons) in the area that possibly connect to my Wolverhampton lot?


This is the 1891 and 1901 census for the family. Unfortunately I cannot show the 1911 for another year but Josehs younger children were all living with their sister, Margaret and her husband.

1891
RG12/2236 Folio 68 page 13
112 Greenvellie Street, Wolverhampton
Harley Joseph 10 Head Labourer Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Harley Esther 29 Wife Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Harley Phoebe 10 Daughter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Harley Margaret 8 Daughter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Harley Joseph 5 Son Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Harley William 3 Son Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Harley Arthur 2M Son Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Davis Charles 21 Nephew Roller At Iron Worker Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Davis John 17 Nephew Bolt Maker Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Hallatt John 75 Father In Law Blacksmith Wolverhampton, Staffordshire

1901
RG13/3877 Folio 132 page 40
10 Kay Street, Padiham
Harley Joseph 42 Head Chemical Works Labourer Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Harley Esther 41 Wife Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Harley Margaret 18 Daughter Cotton Card Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Harley Joseph 17 Son Cotton Weaver Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Harley William 12 Son Cotton Weaver Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Harley Elizabeth 7 Daughter Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Harley Arthur 10 Son Wolverhampton, Staffordshire
Harley George 5 Son Burnley, Lancashire
Harley Albert 1 Son Padiham, Lancashire

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Hi Mel have been in touch with you once before via your email address.I know that you are related to Margaret & Thomas. I saw your posting of Joesph & Esther. Richard 1792 maried Elizabeth Davis. Joesph 1747 & Esther Gardiner 1750 are my 4 x great grandparents. Richards brother Isaac 1787 & Elizabeth Hallett 1791 are my 3 x great grandparents, they had a son William 1828 married Sarah Morris 1828 2 x grandparents. Their son James William 1854 married Jemima Arblaster 1858 great grand parents thier daughter Comfort 1892 married William Chandler 1897, all this is on my mothers side. In your posting you said you had the 1911 census. Could you help me out. James William died in 1895, on the 1901 census Jemima was a patient at Burntwood Asylum she was 43. I know she was in Lichfield Workhouse befor that, I know she remained there till her death at Burntwood. I have her medical records. I know what happened to her other children, but not Comfort and her brother John 1887 born Brownhills. Isaac b 1860 and his wife Rachel have them living with them on the 1901 census. I think John may have joined the army. Comfort married my grandfather in 1916, that what I want to know what she did from 1901 to it will only be 1911. She could have become servant like her sister Sarah Ann born 1877 Brownhill last known for her was 1901 census a servant Hamstead Rd Handsworth which comes under West Bromwich Comfort met my grandfather in Hamstead where he was living. I do have a copy of all my tree from Joesph and Esther to 1901 with all the said famlies and children if would like a copy Regards Sue

Hi Sue, need to digest this, you know what's it's like when you don't have your tree in front of you.....oooh I love it when a bit of something new crops up. Tell me this is all new to me

Will send you a PM when I get home....an hour or so.

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It is all new.
Where did Joseph and Esther marry? I hadn't got her maiden name.
I've sent you an email.

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Oh lucky you Mel----a whole new root, enjoy.

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Hi Mel Joesph & Esther maried on 16th October 1773Pattingham. Isaac Harley married Elizabeth Hallet 1st May 1811 Pattingham. Elizabeth is related to our Esther Hallett. But yet to find our how. Sue. I also live not far from where Margaret Harley & Thomas Sutcliffe are buried. I have friends with following surname's Duerden my next door neighbour, Heap he owned the newsagents in Brierfield centure, also Pickles he has done some work on my house. All 3 of these are friends, believe Barry Pickles came from Burnley. I seen these name on this web site. Sue

I'm confused Sue - where does Esther Hallett fit in?

On your first message you say Esther was called Gardiner, is there another Esther that I've missed?

Thanks for the emails.

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Hi Mel,Joesph 1747 was married to Esther Gardiner born 1850. Joesph 1859 married Esther Hallett.1860. You have Esther Hallett's father William living with them on your census posting. My 3 x great grandparents Isaac 1787 married Elizabeth Hallett 1791. It was Esther Hallett and Elizabeth Hallett I thought could be related, they both came from Wolverhampton. Sue

Makes sense now. Thanks

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