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Portia, there appears to be a new John Leaver who we don’t have info for. I thought he was John Leaver born at Briercliffe circa 1849, son of John Leaver and Nancy Edmondson, but we already have the 1871 Census with John’s name mentioned. Do you have any ideas who he might be?

Marriages Dec 1867
HARGREAVES Martha – Burnley, 8e 264
LEAVER John – Burnley, 8e 264
(Briercliffe, St. James)

This looks the marriage (Mel, would you be able to look at this again, does it read Martha Hargreaves?)

When – 16 November 1867
Where – Church of Briercliffe
Groom – John Leaver, Mason, 20yrs of Haggate
Bride – ?, weaver, aged ?, of Rake Head, Burnley Lane
Grooms father – Lawrence Emmett, Mason
Brides father – Christopher ?, tackler
Witnesses – Henry Hargreaves and Ann Watson

1871 Census - RG10; Piece: 4148; Folio: 53; Page: 9
Cop Row, Burnley
John Leaver, Head, Mar, 20yrs, Stone Mason, b. Briercliffe
Martha Leaver, Wife, 20yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley
William Leaver, Son, 3yrs, b. Burnley
Betty Leaver, Daughter, 1yr, b. Burnley

1881 Census - RG11; Piece: 4161; Folio: 69; Page: 39
Netherfield Road, Nelson
John Lever, Head of family, Married, 33yrs, Stone Mason, b. Haggate
Martha Lever, Wife, Married, 31yrs, House wife, b. Burnley
William Lever, Son, 13yrs, Scholar, b. Burnley
Alfred Lever, Son, 9yrs, Scholar, b. Briercliffe
James Henry Lever, Son, 7yrs, Scholar, b. Briercliffe
Mary Lever, Daughter, 5yrs, Scholar, b. Briercliffe
Lawrence Lever, Son, 3yrs, Scholar, b. Briercliffe
Margaret Ann Lever, Daughter, 2yrs, Infant, b. Briercliffe
Christopher Lever, Son, 5 months, Infant, b. Nelson

1891 Census - RG12; Piece: 3378; Folio 143; Page 20
87 Netherfield road, Little Marsden, Nelson
Martha Leaver, Head, Widow, 41yrs, Char? Woman, b. Burnley
William Leaver, Son, 23yrs, General Labourer, b. Burnley
Alfred Leaver, Son, 19yrs, Cotton twister, b. Burnley
James H. Leaver, Son, 17yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley
Lawrence Leaver, Son, 13yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley
Mary Leaver, Daughter, 14yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley
Margaret A? Leaver, Daughter, 11yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley
Christopher Leaver, Son, 10yrs, Scholar, b. Nelson
Sarah E. Leaver, Daughter, 8yrs, Scholar, b. Nelson
Walter Leaver, Son, 6yrs, Scholar, b. Nelson

1901 Census - RG13; Piece: 3882; Folio: 96; Page: 6
81 Netherfield Road, Nelson
James H. Leaver, Head, Mar, 27yrs, Iron Foundry, b. Nelson
Jane Leaver, Wife, Mar, 27yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Nelson
John Leaver, Son, Single, 4yrs, b. Nelson
Florrie Leaver, Daughter, 1yrs, b. Nelson

Marriages Mar 1896
LEAVER, James Henry – Burnley, 8e 320
THORNTON Jane – Burnley, 8e 320
(Great Marsden, St John the Evangelist)

1901 Census - RG13; Piece: 3882; Folio: 96; Page: 6
87 Netherfield Road, Nelson
Martha Leaver, Head, Widow, 51yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley
Wiliam Leaver, Son, Single, 33yrs, Iron Furnace Tenter, b, Burnley
Alfred Leaver, Son, Single, 29yrs, Cotton Twister, b. Burnley
Mary Leaver, Daughter, Single, 24yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley
Christopher Leaver, Son, 20yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Nelson
Sarah E. Leaver, Daughter, 18yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Nelson
Walter Leaver, Son, 16yrs, Iron ? Foundry, b. Nelson

Without a trip to Burmley to view the records Kris, I'm afraid not. When I do go, I'll take a look.

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Mel

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Kris
Thisis the marriage from lancashirebmd:
1867
Groom: LEAVER John
Bride: HARGREAVES Martha
Where: Briercliffe, St James
Records at Preston CE114/1/25

I've checked out the births, there's one each in 1850, 1851 and 1852 so it would need the certs to narrow it down. I'll keep pondering who he was. Odd that the father's surname is different..

Mel, is this sufficient evidence to update the info on the church records section?

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Maureen
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There's a marriage on lancashire bmd:
1849
EMMETT Lawrence
LEVER Betty
Briercliffe, St James
Records at Preston CE114/1/100

This is a good candidate for John Leaver's parents. If that's the case, he must have been born before the marriage so none of the births I mentioned above would be the right one

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Maureen
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The Leaver/ Emmett marriage is also in the church records:
When: 9 Apr 1849
Where:Church of Briercliffe
Groom: Lawrence Emmett, Bachelor, Weaver, Aged Mino of Haggate Briercliffe
Bride: Betty Lever, Spinster Weaver, Aged Full of Haggate Briercliffe
Groom's father: Hartley Emmett, Weaver
Bride's father: John Leaver, Weaver
Witnesses: John Simpson, Betty Proctor





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Maureen
If you can't fight, wear a big 'at

Lawrence Emmett/ Emmott and Betty are on the 1851 census with a 3 year-old son John Emmott:
1851 census
Haggate, Briercliffe with Extwistle
Hartley Emmott 65 , head, widower, hand loom weaver, born Briercliffe
Lawrence Emmott 20, son, marr, labourer - quarry, born Briercliffe
Betty Emmott 22, daur-in-law, marr,
John Emmott 3, grandson, born Briercliffe
Joseph Catlow 43, brother-in-law, widower, ? lab, born Briercliffe
Ellen Catlow 31 (21?), niece, single, power loom weaver - cotton, born Briercliffe

It looks like he was born before his parent's marriage, then caled by his father's surname, but had to put his birth registration name on his marriage certificate.
What does anyone else think?

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Maureen
If you can't fight, wear a big 'at

Don't know if this is coincidence or not, but John Leaver and Anne Catlow had a daughter Elizabeth, born c1828. There's a couple of Catlows on the 1871 census with Betty Emmott (nee Leaver) - who I think is the mother of the John we're looking for.

If I'm right Kris he's one of ours!

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Maureen
If you can't fight, wear a big 'at

Excellent work Portia!! I think you cracked it!!

Ther is a Martha Hargreaves, daughter of Christopher Hargreaves, who would fit the marriage at the beginning of this thread:
1861 census:
Higher Rakehead Burnley
RG9; Piece: 3068; Folio: 82; Page: 11

Christ Hargraves, 30, head, marr, overloooker of power looms (cotton), born Barrowford
Mary Hargraves 31. wife, marr, cotton weaver, born briercliffe
Henry Hargraves 12, son, errand boy, born Burnley
Martha Hargraves 10, daur, housekeeper & at school, born Burnley
William Hargraves 8, son, scholar, born Burnley
Sarah Hargraves 5, daur, scholar, born Burnley
John Hargraves 2, son, born Burnley

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Maureen
If you can't fight, wear a big 'at

I couldn't find the Emmetts in 1861 but it seems Betty probably died in 1857 - there's death on Lancashirebmd 1857 for a woman of the right age.
Then there's a marriage of Lawrence Emmett in the Briercliffe Church records in 1857:
When: 17 Nov 1857
Where: Church of Briercliffe
Groom: Lawrence Emmett, Weaver,, Aged 27 of Haggate, Widower
Bride: Margaret Ingham, Weaver, Aged 20 of Scar, Spinster
Groom's father: Hartley Emmett, Weaver
Bride's father: Daniel Ingham, cooper
Witnesses: James Hudson, Ellen Catlow

The witness could be the Ellen Catlow on the 1851 census

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Maureen
If you can't fight, wear a big 'at

Think I'm on a roll now.
1861 census
RG9; Piece: 3073; Folio: 78; Page: 6
Spring House, Briercliffe
Lawrence Emmet 30, head, marr, powerloom weaver, born Briercliffe
Margret Emmet 22, wife, marr, at home, born Briercliffe
John Emmet 14, son, powerloom weaver cotton,born Briercliffe
Ann Emmet 2, daur, born Briercliffe
Ellen Emmet 5 Mo, daur,born Briercliffe

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Maureen
If you can't fight, wear a big 'at

Maureen, I think Mel should delete the "apprentice" after all this you have done.

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Gloria

I'd be dangerous with a brain.

Thanks for the compliment Gloria. Will have to see whether Kris is aggreable to severing my indenture or whatever it is you do. What about "Research asssitant?"

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Maureen
If you can't fight, wear a big 'at

Portia, as I stated in the interview this is a three year apprenticeship, I cannot fast track you because Gloria thinks you have learned the trade!!! Briercliffe was not built in a day you know!!

Kris I really needed a good laugh today and you just gave me one.
What about grasshopper? (For those of us old enough to remember the tv programme).

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Maureen
If you can't fight, wear a big 'at