Thanks Gloria, I ordered a couple of birth certificates way back when, they turned out to be the wrong ones but it's more the death I am interested in. Curiosity and to end the line if you know what I mean
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| Author: | Mel [ Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:24 pm ] |
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Looking/hoping to connect with anyone with info on a John Fielding Smith Hart. I believe he was the son of James Hart and Alice Smith. James died and Alice married someone by the name of Rycroft. John F S Hart married Sarah Sutcliffe on 4th Sep 1900 at Angle St Baptist Church. It is this that I am interested in. I think John and Sarah had at least one son, Richard in 1901.any info gratefully received. |
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| Author: | Mel [ Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hart |
Since posting this query back in the very early days of the forum, I have found more information for this couple. The 1901 census is as follows. Alice Rycroft is the mother of John F S Hart, she remarried. RG13/3864 folio77 pg 9 80 Hebrew Street Alice Rycroft H W 52 Grocer Burnley John F S Hart S M 23 Cotton Warp Dresser Burnley Daniel Hart S S 19 Cotton Twister Burnley Sarah Hart DLaw M 25 Cotton Weaver Burnley Richard Hart GS 11m Burnley In 1911, they were living at Claughton Street amd have 4 children - Richard (1901), Alice (1903), Ernest (1905) & Elizabeth (1907). I believe these may be the marriage index entries for the children. Although Hart was a popular name throughout Lancashire, it doesn't appear to have been as common in Burnley Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1925 HART Richard DRACUP Elizabeth Burnley, St Andrew Preston CE107/5/362 Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1928 HART Alice CHERRY Alwyn Burnley, Hanover United Methodist Church (Old Hall St) Preston CL=RA/3/20 Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1934 HART Elizabeth KERSHAW Harry Burnley, Hanover United Methodist Church (Old Hall St) Preston CL=RA/4/1 Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1934 HART Ernest DEARDEN Florence Burnley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RM/242/43 John FS died in 1924, probate info posted elsewhere on the site says 1924 HART John Fielden Smith of 31 Claughton-street Burnley died 17 January 1924 Administration London 30 July to Sarah Hart widow. Effects £353 14s. 3d. I'm struggling to find a death/burial for Sarah. If the above info is correct, she is still living in 1924 and would be about 51. Early census info suggests she was born in 1873 although I never did find a relevant index entry! I have burial info for John F S, as follows: Owner – Alice Hart BURIAL NUMBER BK PG SURNAME FORENAME DATE Years Months TRADE RESIDENCE GRAVE NOTE 29514 5 26 Hart James 25/02/1886 39 0 Clothlooker Hebrew Road 7154 56463 8 89 Rycroft Richard 03/12/1900 57 0 Hebrew Road 7154 87874 12 15 Rycroft Alice 27/04/1920 72 0 80 Hebrew Road 7154 92853 12 193 Hart John Fielden Smith 21/01/1924 45 0 31 Claughton Street 7154 Shown in the register as being linked to : Owner – Sarah Ann Smith BURIAL NUMBER BK PG SURNAME FORENAME DATE Years Months TRADE RESIDENCE GRAVE NOTE 53095 7 273 Smith Jeremiah 17/03/1899 39 0 Blackpool 86433 11 265 Smith Sarah Ann 12/03/1919 59 0 Bridge St,Birkenhead 7153 |
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| Author: | Gloria [ Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hart |
On ancestry there are a few births for Sarah Sutcliffe which could be her. |
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| Author: | Mel [ Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hart |
Thanks Gloria, I ordered a couple of birth certificates way back when, they turned out to be the wrong ones but it's more the death I am interested in. Curiosity and to end the line if you know what I mean
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| Author: | Gloria [ Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:50 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hart |
We can solve your Sarah and my Samuel's death in one------ they are both in the canal 
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| Author: | Mel [ Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:47 pm ] |
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| Author: | Gloria [ Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:03 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hart |
This is the only one I can find, so you have probably seen it----but it would have her born in 1851 and got a middle name. Burial: 19 Jun 1922 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancs. Sarah Ann Hart - Age: 71yrs Abode: 118 Briercliffe Road Grave: A6474 Gender: F Register: Burials 1920 - 1926, Page 121, Entry 90832 Source: Original Registers Book 12 |
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| Author: | Mel [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:02 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hart |
I don't think she has a middle name anywhere but I haven't discounted it. The only reason I would discount this death is the will of her husband in 1924 - his widow is his beneficiary. Could she have died first and the will not have been altered? Why couldn't she have been buried with him! 
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| Author: | Gloria [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 9:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hart |
I did look to see if she had married again but couldn't find anything. |
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| Author: | Mel [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hart |
Thanks Gloria. I failed too...just have to accept that she will be open ended in my file 
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| Author: | Gill [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hart |
Hi Mel, One of the children of John Smith Hart, Alice was a great friend of my parents. I can confirm that she married Alwyn Cherry in 1928. They had one daughter. Gill |
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| Author: | Mel [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hart |
Thanks Gill. Small world  Don't suppose you still have contact and they know what happened to Sarah...long shot
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| Author: | Gill [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:04 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hart |
Hello Mel, I had a thought. I seem to remember that Alice's mother Sarah, lived with Alice and her husband Alwyn Cherry in Cheadle Hume Stockport, so I've checked freebmd and found a death of Sarah Hart in Stockport Cheshire in 1960 aged 84. This would make her birth 1876. Possible? Gill |
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| Author: | Gloria [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:34 pm ] |
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Oh wow Mel, it looks like Gill may have solved it. This is from ancestry Name: Sarah Hart Birth Date: abt 1876 Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1960 Age at Death: 84 Registration district: Stockport Inferred County: Cheshire Volume: 10a Page: 659 |
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| Author: | Mel [ Thu Jun 07, 2012 5:23 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Hart |
Thank you thank you thank you  I think that is most likely her. Most of what I have points to her birth year being 1876 with one or two suggesting 1873 so my thoughts were that it was somewhere mid 1870's. I always think that the first census a child appears on is usually a better guide to their age than later ones when they lose track of the years.I had thought she perhaps died out of the area, which would also explain why I couldn't find her in Burnley Cemetery or Wheatley Lane where most of the rest of my Sutcliffes are. Much appreciated 
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