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Author: | Stant [ Sat Sep 11, 2010 10:10 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: David Brook’s, 14 Healey Wood Road. Off Manchester Road |
Hi Gloria, Google maps show 2 Healey Wood Roads http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&cli ... a=N&tab=wl One runs form Manchester road the other is down by Resevoir Road off Spring Hill Road. I have never been to the area and am just relying on the map, so I cn quite easily take a correction if this is wrong! Thanks! |
Author: | Gloria [ Sat Sep 11, 2010 12:49 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: David Brook’s, 14 Healey Wood Road. Off Manchester Road |
I've looked at it on Multimap and they are split by the railway line. I went to a house on the Healey Wood Rd off Springhill Rd donkeys years ago, the directions we were given were to take the turning above the roundabout as you couldn't get to that part of Healey Wood Rd from the other--hope that makes sense. So it is in effect the same road. |
Author: | Leaver [ Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: David Brook’s, 14 Healey Wood Road. Off Manchester Road |
Hi Stant, welcome to the site! What month was Martin born? The 1881 census was taken on the 3rd, April, and according to that census, your family was living at Healey Row. On the day of the 1881 census, Daniel Brooks the photographer was living at 14 Healey Wood road. 1881 Census - RG11; Piece: 4150; Folio: 13; Page: 20 14 Healey Wood Road, Habergham Eaves, Burnley Daniel Brooks, Head, Mar, 58yrs, Photographer, b. Heywood Sarah Brooks, Wife, Mar, 45yrs, Photographers wife, b. Burnley Martha Brooks, Daughter, 9yrs, Scholar, b. Burnley Mary Ann Lund, Daughter, 19yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley Ada Lund, Daughter, 16yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley I looked in the Barrett’s Directory of Burnley and District, 1893, and these were the only Healey's in Burnley Healey court, Healey Wood road Healey grove, 165 Manchester road Healey place, Healey Wood road Healey row, Healey Wood road Healey Wood road, 82 Manchester road 1881 Census - RG11; Piece: 4150; Folio: 18; Page: 30 17 Healey Row, Habergham Eaves Patrick Stanton, Head, Mar, 28yrs, Blacksmith, b. County Mayo, Ireland Anne Stanton, Wife, Mar, 23yrs, Cotton winder, b. Preston Mary E. Stanton, Daughter, 5yrs, Scholar, b. Stockport Agnes A. Stanton, Daughter, 2yrs, b. Burnley http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx ... d=11472178 1891 Census - RG12; Piece: 3361; Folio 22; Page 14 41 Leyland road, Burnley Patrick Stanton, Head, Mar, 38yrs, Blacksmith, b. Ireland Annie Stanton, Wife, 33yrs, b. Cheshire, Stockport Mary Ellen Stanton, Daughter, 15yrs, Cotton weaver, b. Burnley Agnes Ann Stanton, Daughter, 12yrs, Cotton weaver, b. Cheshire, Stockport Martin Stanton, Son, 9yrs, b. Burnley Annie Stanton, Daughter, 6yrs, b. Burnley Patrick Stanton, Son, 3yrs, b. Burnley http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx ... d=21226694 |
Author: | Leaver [ Sat Sep 11, 2010 5:32 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: David Brook’s, 14 Healey Wood Road. Off Manchester Road |
In the 1891 census, the Stanton's are living at Leyland road, so St. Mary's would have been their local Catholic church http://www.briercliffesociety.co.uk/Pho ... ession.htm http://www.briercliffesociety.co.uk/Pho ... Street.htm |
Author: | Stant [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 4:18 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: David Brook’s, 14 Healey Wood Road. Off Manchester Road |
Thank you so much Leaver. I had come to a complete standstill trying to locate them on the census! My great grandfather was born in November 1881. It does clearly say 14 Healy Road on the birth cert, but I would imagine that Annie (who registered the birth) was probably unable to read, and so Road could easily be Row. I am trying to locate the marriage certificate of Patrick and Annie, so I can trace Patrick back to Ireland. I cant seem to locate the marriage, any ideas? Once I a sure of Patricks Father and Mother I can start searching in Ireland. My great grandfather, Martin, died in the first world war and was a Burnley war hero. His obituary was in the local paper and I have a copy of it from Burnley library. The Obituary states that he was a "prominant member of the Irish League" and a member of the concert artists club. Any information on these two organisations would be very welcome. THe Irish League would have been Irish Nationalists I am assuming. Our family has now come full circle back to Ireland, but we still have some relatives in Burnley whom I have traced. Kind Regards. |
Author: | Leaver [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 5:59 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: David Brook’s, 14 Healey Wood Road. Off Manchester Road |
Hi Stant, This is the marriage ref: Marriages June 1875 MOLLOY, Honor - Stockport, 8a, 139 STANTON, Patrick - Stockport, 8a, 139 Births Dec 1857 MOLLOY, Honora - Preston, 8e, 426 Private Martin Stanton's page on Burnley in the Great War http://burnleyinthegreatwar.info/burnle ... in2590.htm -- you can contact andrew@burnleyinthegreatwar.info for more details. CWGC - http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_det ... lty=473266 Medal Card STANTON, Martin East Lancashire Regiment, Private 2590 Victory, British and 1915 Star Theatre of War first served in (2B) Date of entry - 23.7.1915 http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx ... id=2026549 Soldiers died in the Great War Name: Martin Stanton Birth: Burnley Death: 15 Sept 1915 Location: Egypt Regt: East Lancs Batt: 1/5th Battalion http://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss ... ar&indiv=1 Marriages, Sept 1903 STANTON, Martin - Burnley, 8e, 494 DEAN, Ada - Burnley, 8e, 494 1901 Census - RG13; Piece: 3861; Folio: 38; Page: 19 93 Leyland Road, Burnley Nora Stanton, Head, Widow, 43yrs, b. Cheshire, Stockport Martin Stanton, Son, 19yrs, Cotton waste dyer, b. Burnley Annie Stanton, Daughter, 16yrs, Woollen weaver, b. Burnley Patrick Stanton, Son, 12yrs, b. Burnley Frank Stanton, Son, 9yrs, b. Burnley Mary E. Abbott, Boarder, Mar, 25yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Cheshire Stockport Robert Abbott, Boarder, Mar, 26yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Burnley George Abbott, Boarder, 5yrs, b. Burnley Thomas Abbott, Boarder, 3yrs, b. Burnley Agnes Abbott, Boarder, 12months, b. Burnley http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx ... d=24485519 Marriages Sept 1894 ABBOTT, Robert - Burnley, 8e, 454 STANTON, Mary Ellen - Burnley, 8e, 454 |
Author: | Leaver [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:22 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: David Brook’s, 14 Healey Wood Road. Off Manchester Road |
Also, if Martin's birth certificate states the address as 14 Healey Wood Road, then I would presume that this is correct. Perhaps the Brooks family were friends of the Stanton's or maybe Martin's Mother was getting her photograph taken? |
Author: | Stant [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:26 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: David Brook’s, 14 Healey Wood Road. Off Manchester Road |
Hi Leaver, Thats amazingly fast research! I had seen the Honor Molloy reference but wasnt sure it was Annie, however my hsband says Honor was often shortened to Annie. I will order the marriage cert for more information. I do knoe a bit about Martin. We are very proud of him, he fought in Gallipolli but caught dysentry on his way home and died in Gibralter where he is buried. The obituary describes that he had the last rights and died thinking of Ada. THe nurse in the hospital wrote Ada a letter but I doubt we will ever see this again. thank you so much for the help. i will report back any findings. We also have Duffys from Burnley who I am also going to research, Martis son, Thomas Stanton (my grandad) married Doreen Duffy daughter of Ellen and Joseph Duffy. God Bless |
Author: | Stant [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: David Brook’s, 14 Healey Wood Road. Off Manchester Road |
Regarding the birth certificate. I looked closely again and the number I assumed was a 4 may well be a 7. In old writing the top part of the 7 comes up higher and looks a bit like a 4. |
Author: | Leaver [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 6:48 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: David Brook’s, 14 Healey Wood Road. Off Manchester Road |
My Gt. uncle, Thomas McCarthy (1892-1915) of 11 & 26 Leyland Road, Burnley also served in the East Lancs, and he was killed at Dardanelles (Gallipoli) six days before Martin. http://burnleyinthegreatwar.info/burnle ... s16967.htm I wonder if they served together? 1881 Census - 20 Hill St., Heap, Heywood RG11 - 3856 Margaret QUINLAN, Head, Widow, 58yrs, b. Ireland John QUINLAN, Son, Widow, 27yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Ireland Ellen QUINLAN, Daughter, Unmarried, 20yrs, Cotton Weaver, b Ireland Catherine QUINLAN, Daughter, Unmarried, 15yrs, Cotton Weaver, b Ireland John QUINLAN, Grandson, 9yrs, Scholar, b. Ireland John McCARTHY, Son in law, Married, 25yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Ireland Mary McCARTHY, Daughter, Married, 24yrs, b. Ireland Michael McCARTHY, Grandson, 3yrs, b. Lancs, Heywood Denis McCARTHY, Grandson, 1yrs, b. Lancs, Heywood 1891 Census - 26 Leyland Rd., Burnley John McCARTHY, Head, Married, 36yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Ireland Mary McCARTHY, Wife, Married, 36yrs, b. Ireland Michael McCARTHY, Son, 13yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Lancs, Heywood Denis McCARTHY, Son, 11yrs, Erand Boy - Porter, b. Lancs, Heywood James McCarthy, Son, 9yrs, Scholar, b. Lancs, Heywood Margaret Ann McCARTHY, Daughter, 7yrs, Scholar, b. Lancs, Burnley John McCARTHY, Son, 5yrs, Scholar, b. Lancs, Burnley Mary McCarthy, Daughter, 3yrs, b. Lancs, Burnley Ellen McCARTHY, 9months old, b. Lancs, Burnely Margaret QUINLAN, Mother in law, Widow, 65yrs, House Keeper, b. Ireland John BARRETT, Nephew, Unmarried, Collier, b. Ireland 1901 Census - 26 Leyland Rd., Burnley RG13 3861 - 24 - 39 (4 Rooms occupied) John McCARTHY, Head, Married, 46yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Ireland Mary McCARTHY, Wife, Married, 46yrs, b. Ireland Denis McCARTHY, Son, Unmarried, 21yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Lancs, Heywood Maggie McCARTHY, Daughter, Unmarried, 17yrs, Cotton Weaver, b. Lancs, Burnley John McCARTHY, Son, Unmarried, 15yrs, Foundry Apprentice, b. Lancs, Burnley Mary McCARTHY, Daughter, Unmarried, 13yrs, Tobacco Factory Houser, b. Lancs, Burnley Thomas McCARTHY, Son, 7yrs, b. Lancs, Burnley Nellie McCARTHY, 5yrs, b, Lancs, Burnley |
Author: | Leaver [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:23 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: David Brook’s, 14 Healey Wood Road. Off Manchester Road |
Thomas McCarthy arrived in the Balkans on 1st Aug 1915 and he was presumed dead on 9th August 1915. Martin Stanton arrived in the Balkans, 23rd, July 1915 and was killed 15th September 1915, so I would imagine they did serve together for a short time. They would have known each other at least. Both lived on the same street, both had Irish roots and I am certain they both attended St. Mary's Church (Thomas attended St. Mary's church and school). http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx ... id=1941708 |
Author: | Stant [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:41 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: David Brook’s, 14 Healey Wood Road. Off Manchester Road |
Yes, they must have known each other living on the same street, and its very likely that they served together. It was a terrible engagement, the Dardenelles. My great grand father actually survived the battles only to die in Gibraltar. I understand only a handfull of men returned to Burnley. I assume Martin would have gone to the Catholic school and Church nearby, St Marys. He took great comfort on his deathbed from a priest who visited him each day before he died (from his obituary). I know that after his death my great grandmother, Ada, was very poor, she raised the six children on barely nothing. One of them died. My grandad always blamed Churchill for his policy of using the Dardenelles as a decoy for the landing of the other alied forces elsewhere, they really didnt stand a chance in the Dardenelles, they were so outnumbered. Ada also lost her brother in the battles, John Deane, a week before her husband died. What a time. |
Author: | Leaver [ Sun Sep 12, 2010 7:51 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: David Brook’s, 14 Healey Wood Road. Off Manchester Road |
My Grandad also blamed Churchill, but my Grandad was also a communist Info on Gallipoli - http://www.firstworldwar.com/battles/overview_gf.htm This is your family http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/cgi-bin/mkind ... community= Burial: 26 Jun 1890 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England John Stanton - Age: 1mnth 2 weeks Abode: Leyland Road Grave: 7861 Register: Burials 1890 - 1895, Page 10, Entry 37205 Source: Original Registers Book 6 Burial: 10 Jan 1914 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England Agnes Stanton - Age: 8mnths Abode: 5 PETER ST Grave: A17943 Register: Burials 1909 - 1914, Page 286, Entry 78668 Source: Original Registers Book 10 Burial: 3 Apr 1916 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancashire, England George Stanton - Age: 1yr Abode: 12 Peter Street Grave: A17949 Register: Burials 1914 - 1920, Page 115, Entry 82249 Source: Original Registers Book 11 |
Author: | Stant [ Mon Sep 13, 2010 8:35 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: David Brook’s, 14 Healey Wood Road. Off Manchester Road |
Yes, these are my relatives. I knew about Agnes and George but not John, he must have been a brother of Martin. Martin called his oldest son John. Very sad that so many little babies died in infancy. |
Author: | Blakeley [ Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:47 am ] |
Post subject: | Thomas McCarthy was my great, great uncle... |
Leaver wrote: My Gt. uncle, Thomas McCarthy (1892-1915) of 11 & 26 Leyland Road, Burnley also served in the East Lancs, and he was killed at Dardanelles (Gallipoli) six days before Martin. I just discovered your post, and I'm intrigued as Thomas McCarthy was my great, great uncle. You're on Vancouver Island, and I'm in Toronto... I would love to exchange info with you. |
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