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| Author: | Mel [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 7:50 am ] |
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This isn't a Briercliffe question but I wondered if any of you had any thoughts on which direction I should go on. I'm currently looking at hubbys line. His grandfather was Thomas Elisha Smith, grandmother Sarah Mountford. Sarah is causing me problems. They married June 13 1880 at a place called Newchapel here in Staffordshire. They both gave their address as 'Pitts Hill', a village near to Newchapel. Sarah, age 20, gives her fathers name as Henry Johnson, brickmaker. This is Sarah and Thomas Elisha on the census 1881 RG11Piece / Folio 2709 / 26 Page Number 46 Pitts Hill, Wolstanton, Stafford, England Thos. E. SMITH Head M Male 23 Tunstall, Stafford, England Potter Sarah SMITH Wife M Female 19 Tunstall, Stafford, England Infant SMITH Son Male 1 w Tunstall, Stafford, England 1891 RG12/2161 folio 55 pg12 19 Globe St, Burslem Elisha Smith Head Mar 32 Potters placer Staffs Tunstall Saml Smith Son 10 Scholar Staffs Pittshill Emily Smith Dau 7 Scholar Staffs Tunstall Hannah Smith Dau 2 Staffs Burslem 1891 RG12/2164 folio134 pg 6 Haywood Institute Sarah Smith Patient M 34 Staffs Burslem. (Son David is on next page.) David Smith Patient S 10 Staffs Burslem. 1901 RG13/2596 folio 107 pg23 4 Mayers Bank Burslem Thomas E Smith Head M 42 Potters placer Staffs Tunstall Sarah Smith Wife M 40 Staffs Burslem Samuel Smith Son 19 Potters placer Staffs Pitts Hill Emily Smith Dau S 17 Potters mould maker Staffs Tunstall David Smith Son S 14 Potters mmould maker Staffs Burslem Hannah Smith Dau 11 Staffs Burslem Albert Smith Son 8 Staffs Burslem James Smith Son 4 Staffs Burslem Henry Smith Son 1 Staffs Burslem Sarah died in 1910, her age is given as 49. I'd love to take Sarahs line back a little bit no luck so far. I can't find her on the 1871 census when I would expect her to be with her parents. I have also looked at the 1861 without success but then there is a discrepancy with her age so it is possible that she was not around for the 1861 census night.I've looked at Mountford and Johnson but I am stumped. Has anyone any suggestions as to how I might make some progress with this? |
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| Author: | Gloria [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advice? |
Hi Mel, if she gave the name of her father as different to her own then she may not have been living with him, and only with her mother.---That makes things hard, not knowing her mother's name. However, I have found four Sarah Mountfords in Staffs in 1871. Living in Bucknall, Hanley, Onecote and West Brom, ages from 9-11, all except the one in Hanley are daughters, the Hanley one is grand-daughter. I don't know Staffs so I don't know how near these places are to Tunstall. Had a quick look at the families of these Sarahs and I don't think they can be her. |
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| Author: | Mel [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advice? |
Thanks Gloria. The only 2 possibilities really are Bucknall and Hanley. I had seen them but have nothing that could point me more positively in any direction. |
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| Author: | Gloria [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 1:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advice? |
Have you found Henry Johnson in the 1871? I've found one who is a bricklayer. I have found three Sarah Mountfords born Wolstanton Sept qtr 1862 Stoke T June qtr 1861 Stoke T Dec qtr 1863 |
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| Author: | Mel [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advice? |
Have you! What are the details please? |
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| Author: | Gloria [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advice? |
Henry Johnson aged 29 yrs. head of house-- sister-in-law, living in Chapel St. Audley. Born Audley. Bricklayer. Folio ref---RG10/2835? S&N File ref---CD1 R10_2835 Pdf p.51 I have looked at the original and it says son-in-law---looks like he may have been "working away"--ha ha. |
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| Author: | Mel [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 2:34 pm ] |
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Thanks Gloria. Will try to find him now. Audley is about 7 miles from Burslem, where Sarah was allegedly born. I don't think I would have given that a second glance if I had stumbled on it....it pays to ask for help from people not familiar with an area!! |
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| Author: | Gloria [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:02 pm ] |
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Found a Sarah Johnson aged 9yrs born Burslem living in Chell. She is with mother Maria and "father" Samuel (didn't she have a son Samuel?) two siblings and Maria's mother Betsy Wilson. May be clutching at straws there, but maybe not. |
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| Author: | Gloria [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 3:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advice? |
In the 1871 census of Henry Johnson his father in law was a labourer in a brickyard. |
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| Author: | Mel [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:51 pm ] |
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Could I have the details for the Chell reference please - thats the district where she was when she married. Pitts Hill is part of Chell. I'm not going to be certain of any of this until I can go to the library and look at PR's etc. but you've certainly given me more to go at than I found for myself. I've been proper duff with this family! Thanks Gloria |
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| Author: | Gloria [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:16 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advice? |
Folio ref RG10/2845/F? S&N file ref CD2 R10_2845 pdf. p61 Is that what you want??? |
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| Author: | Mel [ Sat Jul 24, 2010 6:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Advice? |
Thanks Gloria. It is. |
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