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| Author: | Ruth [ Mon Nov 12, 2012 7:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | leaseholds at probate |
I wonder if anyone can clear up an ambiguity for me? I have a copy of a grant of probate (to Martha Croasdale, widow of Thomas Croasdale) from 1874, which states: Effects: less than £300 No leaseholds I don't really know what is meant by 'no leaseholds'. Did the deceased own his property, or did he pay rent week by week without having a leasehold interest? He lived at the same address (or at least in the same street: Spring Lane, Colne ) from 1841 until his death. Ruth |
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| Author: | BJ [ Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: leaseholds at probate |
Ruth, This is a difficult one without knowing all the details. On the face of it Thomas seems to have been a sub-tenant (he rented his property) and in this case it is likely that his landlord would hold a lease from the lord/lady of the Forest of Pendle (the Clitheroe Estates). That said, the house realty would probably be worth around £100 and this, along with less than £200 in goods and chattels, was less than the probate registry requirement. Martha's will (if any) might clear it up otherwise the house deeds (if the property survives) would show who owned/leased it. John Clayton |
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| Author: | Ruth [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 12:39 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: leaseholds at probate |
John, Thanks for your help. I have now found the probate entry for Thomas's wife Martha - not much closer I fear. She outlived him by over 20 years and left only a small sum. CROASDALE Martha of Spring-lane Colne, Lancashire, widow died 8 June 1898 Probate Lancaster 31 October to James Croasdale and John Midgley spring makers. Effects £61 13s 8d. James Croasdale was her son and John Midgley (my great grandfather) her son in law. Although the address given in the probate entry is Spring Lane, her death certificate gives her address as 4 Lancaster Street (the address of John Midgley and his wife Martha Ann nee Croasdale). I know that John Midgley did have properties that he let out as I remember my father (John Midgley's grandson) telling me how he hated collecting rents for his grandfather). Martha's address was given as Spring Lane in 1841, 51, 61, 71 without a house number. In 1881 the number is included: 30 Spring Lane. In 1891 she is living in Albert Road with her daughter Emma Foulds. In 1891 John Midgley and family were living at 5 Spring Court (probably a different address from 30 Spring Lane) but by 1901 had moved to 4 Lancaster Street (which was sold by a granddaughter c. 1980!). I don't know how to search for house deeds (even our own!) Thank you again, Ruth |
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| Author: | BJ [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 4:53 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: leaseholds at probate |
Sounds like Martha made her will at Spring Lane and later moved in with her daughter? I wonder if John Midgeley was related to Betsy - a well known character in Barrowford:- By 1871 we find Jane (27) and Agnes Midgeley (25), from Brogden, are the innkeepers assisted by their sister Betsy Midgeley (23), from Barnoldswick, another sister, Mary A (19), from Barnoldswick, their uncle, Robert Parkinson (65), a retired cotton weaver from Lower Billington and their niece, Betsy (6), from Brogden. In 1881 Betsy Midgeley (33) had taken over the inn from her sisters and was living there with her uncle Robert Parkinson (74), who had an income from cottages, and another relative, James Ridehalgh (38), from Barrowford was running the 14 acre farm. Other young relatives named Healar and Wright were living at the inn and Fanny Wright (19), from Birmingham, was the domestic servant. Betsy Midgeley carried on at the White bear for a number of years before retiring to a cottage in Nelson. By 1908 the landlord was James Almond, in 1911 Benjamin Taylor, in 1923 William Shorrocks, in 1933 A Clarkson and during the 1940s J. Frankland and A. Towler. Extracted from Clayton J. Central Barrowford |
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| Author: | Ruth [ Wed Nov 14, 2012 8:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: leaseholds at probate |
Thanks for your interest in Martha and my Midgleys in general. I agree with the scenario that Martha's will was probably written from her Spring Lane address. After her husband's death in 1879, Martha stayed on for a time in Spring Lane, with an unmarried daughter, Emma (1881 census). In 1891 Martha is living with Emma, now married to Robinson Foulds, and their five sons (aged between 7 years and 5 months!). In 1901 Martha is living with her daughter Martha Ann and son in law John Midgley at 4 Lancaster Street. I am pretty confident that there is no link between my John Midgley and Barrowford Betsy Midgley and family. My Midgleys don't go back very far in Colne (in genealogical terms) and and there weren't many of them - particularly sons in the various generations to pass on the name. John Midgley's father, Edward, came to Lancashire in the mid 1840s from Alford in Lincolnshire (where the two previous generations have also been found). Edward moved first to Habergham Eaves to work as a servant at Green Hill for Robert Artindale, a solicitor, also from Alford. He was in Accrington in 1861 and died, a coachman, in Colne in 1867. (Edward had only one full sibling, a sister, who survived to adulthood – and she moved to the East Riding of Yorkshire.) John Midgley had three sisters and no brother. John then had two sons (my grandfather, also Edward, and Arthur) and two daughters. Arthur had a daughter and no sons. My grandfather, Edward Midgley, had two sons (my father, Norman, and Fred) and one daughter, Irene. My father had one son (Donald, with two daughters) and one daughter, me, (married but still usually using my maiden name of Midgley!). None of us now lives in Colne (though my brother and I grew up there). So a pretty meagre bunch - but relatively easy to keep track of! Ruth |
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| Author: | Ruth [ Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: leaseholds at probate |
I have now found two bits of information that suggest that John was right when he thought Thomas Croasdale was probably a sub-tenant. 1) In "Memories of Colne', written in 1910 about Colne in the 1850s, Mary Cryer, writes: "The people who tenanted the cottages in Spring Lane were all industrious, hard-working people. ...... In another cottage lived Tom Croasdale, who was the first railway porter to wear a uniform in Colne after the opening of the railway." (The bit about the porter's uniform was a bonus for me!) 2) The second bit of information I have noticed looking back at my research is that James Croasdale, one of Thomas's sons and the one mentioned in the probate document, described himself as a house agent in the 1901 census. However, I have just now noticed in Mary Cryer's book a bit of contrary information about other Spring Lane residents: "Then there were the Bracewells, who owned and lived in their own house, painters and decorators." Looks like I'll probably never get to the bottom of this. Thanks for your input. Ruth |
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