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yes, this is one of my lot!! Can I have the details when you have the time please? If there are any other Leaver's / Lever's mentioned they will be mine as well.

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Entry 157

James LEEVER Holt Hill Weaver for W SMITH and T BLACKBURN Total family earnings per week 18/6 '6 weavers generally' Ages, with extra detail 45 (5/-) 43 (winds) 22 (4/-) 20 (4/-) 18 (3/6) 15 (2/-) 12 (G) 10 8 (G) 4 (G) 1. [G = Girl, others boys presumably] [note how the earnings do total 18/6] 3 beds 'they have buried one in the fever 2 weeks since' '4 and 8 stockings' [their needs] '8 and 12 poorly at present' [these numbers refer to ages]

My article showed a strong correlation or earnings with age (coming down again for those later in life), and this is well illustrated here.

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John LEEVER Haggate Weaver for Moore Total earnings 8/3 45 (2/9) 20 (2/-) 15 (2/-) 14 (1/6) 10 2 beds 'wife died 22 weeks since' '10 clogs'

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Mary LEEVER Haggate [no occupation given] Total weekly income 3/- Parish relief 3/- [so all relief] 31 9 (B) 2 and a half 1 bed 'Her husband was killed at Catlow Delf she has not had any work of about 6 months she tells me they have not broke thier fast today (3 o'clock pm) they have no fire and she says she has had nothing to buy fuel with She is very destitute of gown apron and petticoat both children without stocking and they have only one shirt apiece 9 2+1/2 clogs 9 brat [an apron]

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Thomas LEEVER Hill End Weaver for T SMITH 64 60 27 23 19 13 7 '5 weavers'

Entry 184

Mary LEEVER near Hurstings 27 7 (B) 1 'her husband left her a year since' 'boy a brat' [meaning of course he needs an apron, not something else !]


That's it I think, none in Gt Marsden. You see what goldmine this document (and others at different dates, mainly covering Marsden I think) is !


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Rex, very interesting!! Does the document say what month these descriptions were taken in 1843?

Amazing, no wonder people had such a short life expectancy.

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Told you he was worth contacting Kris.

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Kris et al

It ws February, making it all the more difficult for the people needing clothes and blankets.

For background, see Cooke Taylor's 'Tour of the Manufacturing Districts', reprinted by Cass in the sixties I think.

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I was googling for "Just an Ordinary Briercliffe Family" when I came across Poverty in North East Lancashire in 1843 under www.localpopulationstudies.org.uk--------by Rex Watson. For some reason my computer can no longer copy and paste from the address bar or I would have put the whole thing on.
I think this is the article Rex mentions in the comments above.

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Gloria wrote:
I was googling for "Just an Ordinary Briercliffe Family" when I came across Poverty in North East Lancashire in 1843 under http://www.localpopulationstudies.org.uk--------by Rex Watson. For some reason my computer can no longer copy and paste from the address bar or I would have put the whole thing on.
I think this is the article Rex mentions in the comments above.


This is the link http://www.localpopulationstudies.org.u ... _28-44.pdf


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Thanks Kris, don't know why my computer has stopped me doing that----I have obviously upset it somehow.

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Wow, fame at last.

Hope the article proves of interest ; remember my stricture in my March 2008 post that there is a serious error, in the labelling of an axis on a graph..

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I bought a copy of the booklet with this article in through ebay a year or two back.

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Kris [I think you are Kris ?!]

Entry 157

James LEEVER Holt Hill Weaver for W SMITH and T BLACKBURN Total family earnings per week 18/6 '6 weavers generally' Ages, with extra detail 45 (5/-) 43 (winds) 22 (4/-) 20 (4/-) 18 (3/6) 15 (2/-) 12 (G) 10 8 (G) 4 (G) 1. [G = Girl, others boys presumably] [note how the earnings do total 18/6] 3 beds 'they have buried one in the fever 2 weeks since' '4 and 8 stockings' [their needs] '8 and 12 poorly at present' [these numbers refer to ages]

My article showed a strong correlation or earnings with age (coming down again for those later in life), and this is well illustrated here.

Entry 57

John LEEVER Haggate Weaver for Moore Total earnings 8/3 45 (2/9) 20 (2/-) 15 (2/-) 14 (1/6) 10 2 beds 'wife died 22 weeks since' '10 clogs'

Entry 85

Mary LEEVER Haggate [no occupation given] Total weekly income 3/- Parish relief 3/- [so all relief] 31 9 (B) 2 and a half 1 bed 'Her husband was killed at Catlow Delf she has not had any work of about 6 months she tells me they have not broke thier fast today (3 o'clock pm) they have no fire and she says she has had nothing to buy fuel with She is very destitute of gown apron and petticoat both children without stocking and they have only one shirt apiece 9 2+1/2 clogs 9 brat [an apron]

Entry 128

Thomas LEEVER Hill End Weaver for T SMITH 64 60 27 23 19 13 7 '5 weavers'

Entry 184

Mary LEEVER near Hurstings 27 7 (B) 1 'her husband left her a year since' 'boy a brat' [meaning of course he needs an apron, not something else !]


That's it I think, none in Gt Marsden. You see what goldmine this document (and others at different dates, mainly covering Marsden I think) is !



Rex, have I asked before? Are there any Sutcliffes listed please?

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You may have asked before, I can't remember either ! 3 entries as follows.

No 86 John SUTCLIFFE Haggate Weaver for MOORE aged 25, others 23 and 1 He earns 4/- a week, she 1/- (I think, not quite clear). (Needs : 'Mans clogs and stockings and wife stockings')

No 104 Widow SUTCLIFFE Hill End Weaver for William SMITH aged 49, others 22 (male) and 11 (girl) [but see below] (Needs : '22 been in the fever and was never out of doors from 8th to 12th month [this is February 1843] . 11 needs a frock apron and hkf [hankie !] for herself her mother lives with her 81 old woman bedgown and stockings')

No 168 James SUTCLIFFE Blackhouse Lane Shorey Heys Dole [meaning he was employed by the township, probably on road work] total income 9/- [there was a scale, usually 1/6 for each household member] aged 32 others 32, 6 (boy), 4, 2, and 1 week. 2 beds (Needs : 2 pairs childrens clogs childrens stockings wife flannel blanket)

Hope this is of interest, to you and others.

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Hi Rex, could I ask please if there are any Kippax or Brierley families listed---thanks.

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