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 Post subject: Re: National Archives
PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:20 am 
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Brilliant, let us know how you get on.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 9:54 am 
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Oh I shall. I am hoping it is available for download. I do not need to justify £8.50 - Lyndon smokes more than that in a week :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:20 pm 
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Mel, I have a relation (Samuel Catlow of Burnley) that was charged with attempted murder in July 1897.

How do I find the record? I just had a look and I cannot find anything.

Burnley Express 3rd July 1897
CHARGE OF ATTEMPTED MURDER AGAINST A BURNLEY MAN.
WANTED TO LIVE UNTIL MORNING. A SENSATIONAL INCIDENT. THE ACCUSED BEFORE THE MAGISTRTES.
A sensational affair in which the parties concerned were man and his wife occurred on Wednesday night in the West end of Burnley, when a weaver named Samuel Catlow is alleged to have attempted to take the life of his wife. The victim, Sophia Catlow, summoned her husband some time ago on account of his having assaulted her. Catlow was then fined 20s. and costs, and a separation order, with 8s. a week for the maintenance of his wife, was made against him. Since that time Mrs. Catlow has lived with her sister at 24, Allerton-street Whittlefield, whilst the prisoner on the other hand has resided with his mother in Back Lane.
It is stated that on Thursday, just before midnight, Catlow went to the house where his wife was staying, broke one of the kitchen windows, and obtained an entrance into the house. The inmates-prisoner's wife and her sister - heard a noise, and being somewhat alarmed they both got out of bed. Edith Rose Aunger, sister of Mrs. Catlow, shouted out, "Hallo, hallo", but no one replied. In the meantime prisoner had ascended the stairs, and on going there both sisters were met by him. Prisoner then brandished a razor in the air. When Mrs. Catlow saw the implement she said, "Oh, Sam, do not kill me tonight. Let me live till morning." She endeavoured to ward off the blow, and in doing so had her hand severely cut. Notwithstanding her excitement Mrs. Catlow had the presence of mind to realise her dangerous position, and succeeded in getting out of her husband's clutches, and rushed into the neighbouring house. An alarm was then raised, and a medical man was summoned to attend to Mrs. Catlow's injury.
Catlow afterwards went to the police station, and gave himself up.
PRISONER BEFORE THE MAGISTRATES,
On Thursday morning, at the Burnley Borough Police ourt, before R.J. Hurtley, J. Hargreaves and J. Berry, Esqrs., the prisoner appeared in the dock to answer a charge of wounding his wife, Sophia Catlow, 24 Allerton-street, with intent to murder her.
The Chief Constable (Mr. Harrop) in opening the case said the wife of the prisoner was unable to attend court, and he would ask for the case to be adjourned. He would, however, call one witness.
Edith Rose Eunger stated that the prisoner's wife was her sister, and lived with her. Both went to bed about 11-30 the previous night, at which time the windows and doors were securely fastened. Shortly afterwards they heard a creaking of the windows and both got out of bed. Witness called out, "Hallo, hallo", but there was no answer. They went to the stairs-top, where her sister was seized by prisoner, who held a razor in his hand. Prisoner's wife said, "Oh, Sam, do not kill me to-night, let me live till to-morrow." Prisoner replied, "I will finish you," and got hold of her and attempted to cut her throat. Witness made an attempt to stop the prisoner from committing the deed, and one of her fingers was cut in consequence.
The case was adjourned for a week.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 4:32 pm 
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The records I found my relation in were not indexed by name. Go to http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp
This is to search the catalogue not the archive though I'm not sure why a different search engine is required.

Anyway, in the 'Word or phrase (Mandatory)' box, type murder. Put something in the year range as this will limit the results. For the 'Department or Series code', I used 'Crim'. I'm not sure what this record is going to tell me when I do eventually get to see it but I don't mind spending £8.50 to find out.

It might be worth having a look at this http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=172&j=1 to see if there is anything that might be more relevant to your search. It was from here that I stumbled on the record I am trying to buy.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 6:41 am 
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I still don't have the record! I should have had some sort of response by 5p.m. Monday according to the confirmation email they sent when I submitted my request.

I received this late yesterday
"Unfortunately your Digital Express order could be completed, because the document was in use by another reader/ staff member. We would recommend that you place the order again on Monday."

It should read 'could not'.

Why do I need to wait until Monday before I can submit it again? Why not today? Are you able to book a record for a whole week at Kew?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:03 am 
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Interesting the document was being read by someone else, wonder if they are connected with you Mel?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:06 am 
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I think the document covers about 100 other criminal cases, it is possible but probably unlikely.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:16 pm 
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I forgot to re-order last week so did it on Sunday.

I was wrong! There are about 150 pages all relating to the person I am interested in. It will cost over £100 to download them all so the postal service is the cheaper option! I bought the first 10 images and now know that it is the accused's statement. From what I have read so far, it does make interesting reading and gives an insight into the places he spent his childhood.
Mum has offered to go halves with me. Now I have read these first few pages, I am curious as to what information the rest hold.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:27 pm 
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How interesting is that??? Wow, enjoy your read.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:04 pm 
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Lyndons Christmas shopping is done. I'm having the NA papers as an early Christmas present. Not bad going really - he 'doesn't do Christmas'! The order will be in tomorrow.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 8:28 pm 
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Lucky you. :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 24, 2008 6:26 pm 
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Update - I received the first 10 pages of the document. It's the 'witness' statement of my hanged relative and possibly the trial proceedings. The 10 pages only stretch to a bit of the statement.
Anyway, I spoke to the living relation about these documents. I thought I should as he is more directly related to the hanged man. He was not aware that they were available, he had enquired some time ago when he was at NA but they told him that it was subject to 100 year closure. It turns out it is only a 30 year closure.
So, the good news is...he has ordered the paper copies as that works out the cheapest option. I will be going halves with him.
The bad news.....NA has contacted him to say that they have mislaid the document! Apparently it was not returned to the correct place after they had looked up the price quote for him. They will shortly be doing a stocktake and the document 'should' reappear then. :? :shock:

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2008 11:21 am 
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How frustrating, I will keep my fingers crossed for you.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:00 am 
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Still no news on the missing document, however, I have found reference to another 2 documents relating to the same person. Quotes requested, I am still waiting for response on one but the other is £14 inc. p&p so I have ordered it. That was on Monday so with a bit of luck it will arrive int he next few days. I'm not sure how long it takes them to copy these orders. Can't wait!

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:47 pm 
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Just had the other estimate - £40! No messing around this time though, I'm having it for Christmas.

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