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Author:  Mel [ Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:45 am ]
Post subject:  Scrap the census?!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7573004.stm

Census 'should be scrapped now'

The national census is out of date, too costly and should be scrapped immediately, a think tank has claimed.

The 10-yearly population survey becomes out of date as soon as it is published and is likely to cost £500m in 2011, the New Local Government Network says.

Its report backs a "local head count" based on GP surgeries, school places, electoral registers and tax records.

Councils have argued they are not getting enough funding because official population estimates are wrong.

The next census is due to be carried out in 2011 but the report says preparations should be discontinued "immediately" and the count carried out instead through "administrative data sources".

'Miscalculations'

A proposed fourth page of questions for the next census will boost its cost by £25m, taking the overall estimated cost to £500m, the report says, questioning "whether this is the best use of public money".

It says there have been a number of "high profile miscalculations" of local populations - including Slough which was informed its population was decreasing at a time of significant immigration.

Information based on a local head count would be more accurate and would cost at least £250m less to carry out, the report says.

It warns that some local authorities are already carrying out more accurate population estimates, adding: "By proceeding with a traditional census in 2011, the government risks drawing national and local data needs and systems further apart."

'Intrusive questions'

Chris Leslie, of the NLGN, said: "The census has been around for 200 years and it is no longer gathering the right sort of data for modern public services.

"We are left in a situation where not only does central government not know where it should distribute public money but local councils do not have the information or flexibility to work out where best to spend money to tackle worklessness and crime, or to gauge where future demand will be for care homes and schools."

Shadow communities and local government secretary Eric Pickles said there was growing public concern over "the increasingly intrusive questions that the government is planning for the next census".

He added: "Many councils have been short-changed in government funding because the last census failed to record properly the real number of local residents.

"High levels of inward migration have compounded the problems, with Labour ministers having little clue on the real sizes of populations in many parts of the country."

The census is carried out across the UK but the report has focused on England and Wales - where the Office for National Statistics has responsibility for it.

Every household is legally obliged to give details of who is living in their house on the day of the survey, which takes place once every 10 years.

But there have been concerns that it is no longer up to the job of providing reliable data on which to base important public spending decisions.

The ONS is looking at other methods of counting the population, such as a compulsory register of addresses.

In May, MPs on the Treasury select committee said the 2011 census should be the last where population is counted through the collection of census forms.
Author:  Burnleymasher [ Thu Aug 21, 2008 4:01 pm ]
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Ooh er! That's not good news. :(


Stephanie.
Author:  Mel [ Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:09 pm ]
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I'd like to see the breakdown of cost for the £500m. How did they arrive at that figure?
Author:  portia [ Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:11 pm ]
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And how much are they recouping from firms like Ancestry from the sale of previous censuses? Plus I reckon they probably sell anonymised data from current censuses for stuff like market research.
Author:  Julie in Norfolk [ Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:07 am ]
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I did hear that part of the reason for the cost of the census was the amount of printed pages per household. Simple, take out all the stupid and needless questions that only beaurocrats want the answers for. A lot of this is using statistics for the sake of it and not for the need of it. I state this as a lapsed Jedi from the last census. Oh, and despite 2.6% of the population being Jedi, I don't see any extra services for us.
Author:  portia [ Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:13 am ]
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Sorry Julie, I don't get the Jedi bit?
Author:  Julie in Norfolk [ Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:18 am ]
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The 2001 census asked for details of your religion, I am afraid that our family - all of them - put down that they were Jedi Knights - as with Star Wars. :oops: It may have been a result of a protest about the depth of questions, but 2.6% of the population also put that they were Jedi. :roll:
Author:  portia [ Fri Aug 22, 2008 9:26 am ]
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Gotcha. I never saw the last form, himself completed it. But well done you. I think collating information about religion's a waste of time. Most of my family would say they're Anglicans, but that's just because they were baptised anglican. As to whether they practice or even believe, that's a whole nother matter.
But counting the population, with an age proflie and demographic distribution, I think that's really worthwhile.
Author:  Mel [ Fri Aug 22, 2008 12:38 pm ]
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Not forgetting the family tree interest it holds!

Knowing the religion from the census could make life a little easier for our descendants in years to come if they decide to dig a little. Not that they will find me in any church....never baptised and married in a register office.
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