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Looking/hoping to connect with anyone with info on a John Fielding Smith Hart. I believe he was the son of James Hart and Alice Smith. James died and Alice married someone by the name of Rycroft.

John F S Hart married Sarah Sutcliffe on 4th Sep 1900 at Angle St Baptist Church. It is this that I am interested in. I think John and Sarah had at least one son, Richard in 1901.any info gratefully received.

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Since posting this query back in the very early days of the forum, I have found more information for this couple.

The 1901 census is as follows. Alice Rycroft is the mother of John F S Hart, she remarried.

RG13/3864 folio77 pg 9
80 Hebrew Street
Alice Rycroft H W 52 Grocer Burnley
John F S Hart S M 23 Cotton Warp Dresser Burnley
Daniel Hart S S 19 Cotton Twister Burnley
Sarah Hart DLaw M 25 Cotton Weaver Burnley
Richard Hart GS 11m Burnley

In 1911, they were living at Claughton Street amd have 4 children - Richard (1901), Alice (1903), Ernest (1905) & Elizabeth (1907).

I believe these may be the marriage index entries for the children. Although Hart was a popular name throughout Lancashire, it doesn't appear to have been as common in Burnley

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1925
HART Richard DRACUP Elizabeth Burnley, St Andrew Preston CE107/5/362

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1928
HART Alice CHERRY Alwyn Burnley, Hanover United Methodist Church (Old Hall St) Preston CL=RA/3/20

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1934
HART Elizabeth KERSHAW Harry Burnley, Hanover United Methodist Church (Old Hall St) Preston CL=RA/4/1

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1934
HART Ernest DEARDEN Florence Burnley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RM/242/43

John FS died in 1924, probate info posted elsewhere on the site says
1924
HART John Fielden Smith of 31 Claughton-street Burnley died 17 January 1924 Administration London 30 July to Sarah Hart widow. Effects £353 14s. 3d.

I'm struggling to find a death/burial for Sarah. If the above info is correct, she is still living in 1924 and would be about 51. Early census info suggests she was born in 1873 although I never did find a relevant index entry! I have burial info for John F S, as follows:

Owner – Alice Hart

BURIAL
NUMBER BK PG SURNAME FORENAME DATE Years Months TRADE RESIDENCE GRAVE NOTE
29514 5 26 Hart James 25/02/1886 39 0 Clothlooker Hebrew Road 7154
56463 8 89 Rycroft Richard 03/12/1900 57 0 Hebrew Road 7154
87874 12 15 Rycroft Alice 27/04/1920 72 0 80 Hebrew Road 7154
92853 12 193 Hart John Fielden Smith 21/01/1924 45 0 31 Claughton Street 7154

Shown in the register as being linked to :

Owner – Sarah Ann Smith

BURIAL
NUMBER BK PG SURNAME FORENAME DATE Years Months TRADE RESIDENCE GRAVE NOTE
53095 7 273 Smith Jeremiah 17/03/1899 39 0 Blackpool
86433 11 265 Smith Sarah Ann 12/03/1919 59 0 Bridge St,Birkenhead 7153

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Mel

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On ancestry there are a few births for Sarah Sutcliffe which could be her.

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Gloria

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Thanks Gloria, I ordered a couple of birth certificates way back when, they turned out to be the wrong ones but it's more the death I am interested in. Curiosity and to end the line if you know what I mean

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Mel

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We can solve your Sarah and my Samuel's death in one------ they are both in the canal

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Gloria

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Mel

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This is the only one I can find, so you have probably seen it----but it would have her born in 1851 and got a middle name.
Burial: 19 Jun 1922 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancs.
Sarah Ann Hart -
Age: 71yrs
Abode: 118 Briercliffe Road
Grave: A6474
Gender: F
Register: Burials 1920 - 1926, Page 121, Entry 90832
Source: Original Registers Book 12

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Gloria

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I don't think she has a middle name anywhere but I haven't discounted it. The only reason I would discount this death is the will of her husband in 1924 - his widow is his beneficiary. Could she have died first and the will not have been altered? Why couldn't she have been buried with him!

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Mel

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I did look to see if she had married again but couldn't find anything.

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Gloria

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Thanks Gloria. I failed too...just have to accept that she will be open ended in my file

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Mel

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Hi Mel, One of the children of John Smith Hart, Alice was a great friend of my parents. I can confirm that she married Alwyn Cherry in 1928. They had one daughter. Gill

Thanks Gill. Small world

Don't suppose you still have contact and they know what happened to Sarah...long shot

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Hello Mel, I had a thought. I seem to remember that Alice's mother Sarah, lived with Alice and her husband Alwyn Cherry in Cheadle Hume Stockport, so I've checked freebmd and found a death of Sarah Hart in Stockport Cheshire in 1960 aged 84. This would make her birth 1876. Possible? Gill

Oh wow Mel, it looks like Gill may have solved it. This is from ancestry
Name: Sarah Hart
Birth Date: abt 1876
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1960
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Stockport
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
Page: 659

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Gloria

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Thank you thank you thank you I think that is most likely her. Most of what I have points to her birth year being 1876 with one or two suggesting 1873 so my thoughts were that it was somewhere mid 1870's. I always think that the first census a child appears on is usually a better guide to their age than later ones when they lose track of the years.

I had thought she perhaps died out of the area, which would also explain why I couldn't find her in Burnley Cemetery or Wheatley Lane where most of the rest of my Sutcliffes are.

Much appreciated

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