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 Post subject: Hart
PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:24 pm 
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Looking/hoping to connect with anyone with info on a John Fielding Smith Hart. I believe he was the son of James Hart and Alice Smith. James died and Alice married someone by the name of Rycroft.

John F S Hart married Sarah Sutcliffe on 4th Sep 1900 at Angle St Baptist Church. It is this that I am interested in. I think John and Sarah had at least one son, Richard in 1901.any info gratefully received.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:55 am 
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Since posting this query back in the very early days of the forum, I have found more information for this couple.

The 1901 census is as follows. Alice Rycroft is the mother of John F S Hart, she remarried.

RG13/3864 folio77 pg 9
80 Hebrew Street
Alice Rycroft H W 52 Grocer Burnley
John F S Hart S M 23 Cotton Warp Dresser Burnley
Daniel Hart S S 19 Cotton Twister Burnley
Sarah Hart DLaw M 25 Cotton Weaver Burnley
Richard Hart GS 11m Burnley

In 1911, they were living at Claughton Street amd have 4 children - Richard (1901), Alice (1903), Ernest (1905) & Elizabeth (1907).

I believe these may be the marriage index entries for the children. Although Hart was a popular name throughout Lancashire, it doesn't appear to have been as common in Burnley

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1925
HART Richard DRACUP Elizabeth Burnley, St Andrew Preston CE107/5/362

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1928
HART Alice CHERRY Alwyn Burnley, Hanover United Methodist Church (Old Hall St) Preston CL=RA/3/20

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1934
HART Elizabeth KERSHAW Harry Burnley, Hanover United Methodist Church (Old Hall St) Preston CL=RA/4/1

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1934
HART Ernest DEARDEN Florence Burnley Register Office or Registrar Attended Preston RM/242/43

John FS died in 1924, probate info posted elsewhere on the site says
1924
HART John Fielden Smith of 31 Claughton-street Burnley died 17 January 1924 Administration London 30 July to Sarah Hart widow. Effects £353 14s. 3d.

I'm struggling to find a death/burial for Sarah. If the above info is correct, she is still living in 1924 and would be about 51. Early census info suggests she was born in 1873 although I never did find a relevant index entry! I have burial info for John F S, as follows:

Owner – Alice Hart

BURIAL
NUMBER BK PG SURNAME FORENAME DATE Years Months TRADE RESIDENCE GRAVE NOTE
29514 5 26 Hart James 25/02/1886 39 0 Clothlooker Hebrew Road 7154
56463 8 89 Rycroft Richard 03/12/1900 57 0 Hebrew Road 7154
87874 12 15 Rycroft Alice 27/04/1920 72 0 80 Hebrew Road 7154
92853 12 193 Hart John Fielden Smith 21/01/1924 45 0 31 Claughton Street 7154

Shown in the register as being linked to :

Owner – Sarah Ann Smith

BURIAL
NUMBER BK PG SURNAME FORENAME DATE Years Months TRADE RESIDENCE GRAVE NOTE
53095 7 273 Smith Jeremiah 17/03/1899 39 0 Blackpool
86433 11 265 Smith Sarah Ann 12/03/1919 59 0 Bridge St,Birkenhead 7153

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 3:47 pm 
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On ancestry there are a few births for Sarah Sutcliffe which could be her.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:14 pm 
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Thanks Gloria, I ordered a couple of birth certificates way back when, they turned out to be the wrong ones but it's more the death I am interested in. Curiosity and to end the line if you know what I mean :shock:

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:50 pm 
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We can solve your Sarah and my Samuel's death in one------ they are both in the canal :lol:

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This is the only one I can find, so you have probably seen it----but it would have her born in 1851 and got a middle name.
Burial: 19 Jun 1922 Burnley Cemetery, Burnley, Lancs.
Sarah Ann Hart -
Age: 71yrs
Abode: 118 Briercliffe Road
Grave: A6474
Gender: F
Register: Burials 1920 - 1926, Page 121, Entry 90832
Source: Original Registers Book 12

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I don't think she has a middle name anywhere but I haven't discounted it. The only reason I would discount this death is the will of her husband in 1924 - his widow is his beneficiary. Could she have died first and the will not have been altered? Why couldn't she have been buried with him! :?

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I did look to see if she had married again but couldn't find anything.

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Thanks Gloria. I failed too...just have to accept that she will be open ended in my file :roll:

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Hi Mel, One of the children of John Smith Hart, Alice was a great friend of my parents. I can confirm that she married Alwyn Cherry in 1928. They had one daughter. Gill


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Thanks Gill. Small world :)

Don't suppose you still have contact and they know what happened to Sarah...long shot :roll:

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Hello Mel, I had a thought. I seem to remember that Alice's mother Sarah, lived with Alice and her husband Alwyn Cherry in Cheadle Hume Stockport, so I've checked freebmd and found a death of Sarah Hart in Stockport Cheshire in 1960 aged 84. This would make her birth 1876. Possible? Gill


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Oh wow Mel, it looks like Gill may have solved it. This is from ancestry
Name: Sarah Hart
Birth Date: abt 1876
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1960
Age at Death: 84
Registration district: Stockport
Inferred County: Cheshire
Volume: 10a
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Thank you thank you thank you :D I think that is most likely her. Most of what I have points to her birth year being 1876 with one or two suggesting 1873 so my thoughts were that it was somewhere mid 1870's. I always think that the first census a child appears on is usually a better guide to their age than later ones when they lose track of the years.

I had thought she perhaps died out of the area, which would also explain why I couldn't find her in Burnley Cemetery or Wheatley Lane where most of the rest of my Sutcliffes are.

Much appreciated :mrgreen:

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